Do not burn yourself out.
Sitting at my desk, I had an overwhelming feeling doing too much but also getting nothing done. I would look back at my time and think I did a lot of things, but I just do not recollect any of them. It’s like my body was on autopilot and my mind was taking a nap.
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00:09hey they're just working cool
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00:14before I started I just want to say
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00:17thanks to JSLA for organizing this I
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00:20mean these events are tremendous and
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00:23there's a lot of work that goes into
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00:24organizing an event like this can get
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00:27around a little pause for JSLA in
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00:28general and actually I want to say it
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00:35thanks to Google as well this is a you
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00:37know tremendous venue with the venue
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00:40like this usually the tickets sell out
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00:41really quickly and that's because they
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00:45have a lot of pull here at Google of
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00:47course the speakers do you have a pull
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00:49as well but I'm also sorry to let you
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00:52know that for us isn't going to be
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00:53speaking tonight but yeah but I'm here
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00:57to talk to you today about something
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01:00that you know a lot of people have been
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01:02wondering about lately and that's how
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01:05not to burn yourself out sometimes
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01:08there's some large expectations that is
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01:10put on us as engineers they kind of push
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01:14us to like a mental edge whether we're
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01:16supposed to be deity like engineers that
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01:19are TEDx engineers or you know we need
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01:21to learn how to do algebraic expressions
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01:24before the next meeting but it sometimes
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01:27it's hard to balance on that edge so
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01:31many of Jacob blow i'm JC b LW across
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01:34the web and you know I wrote a talk
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01:37about this because I got burnt out I got
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01:40burned out multiple times before but
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01:42just recently got burnt out and I'm kind
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01:45of on a sabbatical right now which has
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01:47actually been kind of great because it
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01:48allows me to like think about these
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01:50types of things and I also used to work
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01:52at a company called headspace which you
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01:54know it's supposed to help with well it
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01:56does help with things like stress
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01:59burnout and whatnot but things have been
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02:03kind of weird lately so I mean so burned
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02:08out just in case you know y'all haven't
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02:12experienced it or really know what it is
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02:14it's just to ruin your health and this
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02:16is mostly done through overwork just
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02:19overworking yourself and mental health
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02:22is like super important and there's a
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02:26lot of things you can do to you know
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02:28help your mental health and if you could
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02:30take a little bit of time during each
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02:32day to you know support your mental
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02:34health like I would do it like it's
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02:37totally worth it
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02:39and I want to say that like there's like
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02:42this stigma around you know mental
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02:44health being you know mental health
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02:46issues like burnout or anxiety or
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02:47depression being people that are weak
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02:50you know it's definitely not that you
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02:53know I have to say like I've
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02:54accomplished some things in my life that
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02:57I feel like I had to be pretty
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02:58disciplined about and I still run into
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03:01things like burnout and I still run into
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03:02things like anxiety and depression so I
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03:07don't know if you guys get the luxury to
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03:09work at a company that has these things
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03:11called no meetings blocks but they're
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03:14actually fantastic and if you don't work
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03:15at a company after listening this talk
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03:17you should probably ask for no meetings
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03:19blocks but this is actually a fantastic
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03:22time to kind of just reset and you know
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03:27it's not an implicitly say like take a
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03:28break time right it's kind of supposed
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03:31to be uninterrupted work time but I
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03:33definitely took advantage of these times
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03:35at my prior job to actually take breaks
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03:38and to kind of like in the latter half
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03:41of the no meetings blocks to be able to
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03:44get my work done and I would even like
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03:47on my breaks I would actually invite
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03:49even my co-workers to come with me I'm
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03:51like I'm gonna go walk around the block
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03:52you want to come hang out and just talk
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03:54or hey would you you know spend a couple
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03:57minutes with me in a meditation session
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03:58but I did find out that a lot of my
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04:01co-workers didn't actually view these no
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04:04meetings blocks in the same way a lot of
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04:06times they viewed it as you know this is
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04:09a time for me to get ahead to catch up I
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04:12can
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04:12you know get some work done I can shove
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04:15in a couple you know extra lines of code
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04:17during this time because it's uh none
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04:18your up to work time so I'm just gonna
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04:20like push through something and as a
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04:23manager like that does sound appealing
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04:25like more work more time I like I can I
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04:29mean more time is more work and I can
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04:31actually like you know see tickets
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04:33moving and whatnot checkboxes and but
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04:36what I found out is that like that's not
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04:38actually the case that's not the reality
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04:39of it and it really was more like more
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04:44time does not equal better work like a
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04:47lot of stuff that got pushed through
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04:48when people were stressed out and they
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04:50weren't taking breaks things had bugs in
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04:52it you know wasn't a good product there
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04:54was corners cut you know in a lot of
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04:56places and it's more or less like I
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04:58don't want to like push them you'd be
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04:59like oh well you gotta fix this like
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05:01little thing here you got to make a
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05:03better product or whatever especially
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05:04when I know I'm dealing with somebody
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05:06who's going through something that you
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05:08know they're feeling burnt out or
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05:09whatnot now I put in here meaningful
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05:12breaks because your body wants
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05:14meaningful breaks now going and getting
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05:16in a snack or a coffee I think you know
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05:19a lot of us will associate that with a
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05:20break which actually it is but you know
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05:24doing something like viewing nature
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05:25doing meditations some type of
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05:27mindfulness practice actually has been
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05:29shown to be more effective in sustained
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05:32attention then just doing other things
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05:36like getting a snack or a coffee and one
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05:41of the reasons why you should take a
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05:43break is that your brain is actually
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05:45really good at automating things and
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05:48it's a good thing too because like I'm
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05:51not constantly thinking about breathing
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05:52I'm just doing it you know it helps me
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05:55survive my body automating things but it
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05:58kind of can get us into these weird
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05:59loops of thought to where we stop
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06:01thinking about problems in the same way
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06:04and whenever new variables get inserted
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06:06into the problem it's very hard for that
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06:08loop to actually be able to handle those
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06:11new variables in that loop itself is a
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06:17little thing called flow and flow can be
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06:20great it actually is often romanticized
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06:23in our
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06:24stree it's often you know associated
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06:28with things like creativity productivity
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06:31people even will rearrange their
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06:33schedules around flow you know I want to
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06:36make sure all my meetings are at the end
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06:38of the day so I can have this unfetter
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06:40ated block in the middle of the day that
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06:42I can just get into the flow and stay in
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06:44the flow the flow is actually kind of a
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06:48weird thing because it can also cause
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06:50some pretty crazy human behaviors
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06:53casinos actually will utilize flow to be
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06:57able to keep people in the seats of a
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06:59machine which they actually use the term
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07:01time on device which was actually coined
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07:04a long time ago very before I phones
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07:06were a thing and you know we have to ask
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07:10ourselves sometimes is this the best
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07:13life that we're living when we're
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07:15getting into these flows and we're doing
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07:16all this stuff you know like when I'm
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07:19you know there's been many times where I
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07:21will kind of get into a really good flow
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07:23and then I'll kind of run off to the
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07:26bathroom at the last moment because I'm
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07:28like oh I forgot to go to the bathroom I
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07:29need to go real quick and then I can
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07:31jump back to programming and that's not
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07:35you know healthy if I'm starting to
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07:37neglect my cue my body functions just
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07:40because I'm like I want to write one
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07:41more line of code they actually there
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07:44was a study and they find that people
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07:46actually will sometimes hold their
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07:47breath when checking emails which is a
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07:50very bizarre thing to do so I actually
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07:54adopted I started to adopt some of the
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07:56mindset of some of my peers on my last
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07:59place where I would start skipping kind
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08:01of my no means box and just working
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08:04through them and actually it made me
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08:07unhappy in that unhappiness also gave me
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08:09a bad perspective on kind of just the
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08:12work that I was doing didn't allow me to
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08:14reflect on the times that I was able to
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08:16complete things and do wonderful things
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08:18with my group I just kind of was like
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08:21what's the next problem and to work
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08:22through this now reflection is actually
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08:25a pretty interesting word here as well
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08:27because I think that's actually what
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08:29brakes give you the time to do you get
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08:31into these loops of thought and then
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08:33you're able to kind of like pull
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08:35yourself out of them when you take a
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08:36break and just
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08:37look back at that process and say it
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08:39like was that good you know and if it
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08:42was you jump back into it
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08:43if it wasn't like figure out what's
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08:46wrong and we actually do have techniques
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08:48like this already who here has used the
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08:51rubber ducky technique so only a few of
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08:54you it's interesting so I'll tell you
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08:57about what that technique rubber ducky
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09:00technique is essentially you have this
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09:02inanimate object usually it's a rubber
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09:04ducky or some type of thing that has a
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09:06face and you put it on your desk and
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09:10then you when you run into a big problem
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09:13you essentially will ask this inanimate
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09:16object the problem and actually the
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09:19craziest thing is is that a lot of times
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09:21it will give you a little bit of clarity
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09:22and either you'll be able to see the
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09:25problem in a new light or you'll be able
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09:27to maybe even fix the problem and I
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09:29think what's actually happening here is
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09:31that you're jumping out of the flow of
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09:33montt here you're kind of the flow that
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09:35you're in the same train of thought and
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09:37you're able to throw this problem to
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09:40another side of your brain which
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09:41actually processes language and then be
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09:44able to like look at this thing and
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09:46verbalize it which actually is another
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09:47part of your brain and so you kind of
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09:50like are jumping out of that flow and
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09:53and are able to look at the problem more
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09:56clearly by verbalizing it to this rubber
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09:58ducky there's been many times where I've
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10:00used this technique and actually been
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10:01amazed at like just how well it works
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10:04and I would encourage you to try it out
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10:06there's also another good analogy so I
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10:10just watched a talk by this famous
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10:12Buddhist monk called mingzhou red
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10:13Porsche and he was talking about
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10:16emotions and meditation but I think it
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10:19actually works really well with flow and
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10:21reflection or taking a break so
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10:23essentially when you're in the flow of
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10:25programming you are kind of in the
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10:28middle of a river it's great you're
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10:30moving fast you're going down the river
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10:31but you run into problems
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10:33maybe that's legacy code or something
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10:36like that and you know it gets a little
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10:38bumpy and actually sometimes it can get
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10:41so bumpy that it can turn into a
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10:42waterfall now being in a river a
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10:46waterfall is you know coming up on a
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10:48waterfall that's a terrifying thing and
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10:50that can do many things to your
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10:52but the act of taking a break is like
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10:55going onto the shore and looking at the
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10:57river and being able to observe what is
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11:00going on and you know there's been
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11:02countless times where I've looked back
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11:04at like a crazy bug that you know that
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11:07may have caused us to not deploy into
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11:09production or something and looking back
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11:11at that and saying oh well we fixed it
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11:13and look at this elegant solution you
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11:15know this is so beautiful it's because
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11:17when you step back from a waterfall it's
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11:19a beautiful thing now I work on stuff I
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11:25work on stuff so you get it because
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11:27you've done it I work at stuff at home
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11:30and I work on contract work and I wanted
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11:32to figure out a way that I can promote a
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11:34healthy lifestyle for myself without
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11:35actually just running into the same
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11:37problems that I ran into you well at
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11:39work so I wanted to figure out a way
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11:42that I can actually eject from the flow
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11:47and now you might be thinking and
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11:49rightfully so that there already is
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11:52techniques for this a Pomodoro Pomodoro
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11:55is where you set a little timer and the
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11:58timer goes off you have this checklist
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12:00that you're going through but the
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12:03Pomodoro didn't really work for me and
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12:05it was only a few small problems that I
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12:07ran into with the Pomodoro and tell you
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12:09too if you're using the Pomodoro and it
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12:11works for you do it like I that's one
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12:14thing I want to encourage is like if you
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12:15find something that works for you just
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12:17stick with it and keep doing it but the
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12:20issues that I had was that a lot of it's
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12:22like very based off of static time
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12:24frames and you can actually adjust those
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12:26time frames over time but just like
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12:28during the day the time frames are very
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12:30static and it's also super focused on
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12:32being the most productive human being
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12:34and I kind of don't have the life goals
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12:37of being super productive I I want to be
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12:39a happy person
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12:40more than anything so that was a little
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12:43it wasn't too bad of a thing because
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12:46productivity can help with your
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12:47happiness but I wanted something that
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12:48focused on happiness so if I was into a
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12:50flow that was really bad I'd be able to
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12:52you instead of jumping out and happy
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12:54need to do a checklist or check back in
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12:56I would actually you know find doing
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12:59activity that made me a little bit
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13:00happier now my solutions is really just
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13:03the inverse having relative time frame
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13:05and this could be based off of the
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13:07activity that you're doing you know
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13:09being able to track activity and say
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13:11like oh well I'm really active right now
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13:14so that means that like I'm I'm in a
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13:17state of flow that you know isn't
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13:20necessarily bad but there's I should
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13:23probably jump out of this in some time
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13:24and then also I wanted to focus on
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13:26happiness now this is actually even
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13:28trickier because what is happiness right
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13:30and but one thing I've learned through
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13:34years of meditation is that kind of just
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13:37being able to observe the things that we
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13:40do on a day to day and being able to get
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13:42in touch with yourself a little bit is a
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13:45way to kind of put different
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13:47perspectives on things and to see normal
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13:50things or to see the activities that you
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13:52do in a different light that sometimes
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13:54you can look at it in a positive light
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13:56so essentially I wanted to change this
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13:59to something that's more like a
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14:02breathing exercise now I looked for
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14:06something out there and I think it's
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14:09pretty neat you know like I I can't say
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14:11that like everybody's probably looking
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14:13for the same thing I am but being an
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14:15engineer and we get this amazing
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14:18opportunity to take things that are in
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14:19the back of our head things that were
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14:21like oh this is really cool like is
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14:24anything out there and try to find it
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14:26and if we don't find it we actually have
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14:28the opportunity to build this so I
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14:29decided I was gonna build something and
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14:32there's a couple of decisions that I
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14:34made I decided to build it on the web
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14:36platform I am a web engineer just like I
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14:38would assume probably half of you are as
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14:40well
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14:41and I spend a lot of time in my browser
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14:44so I actually built it in a Chrome
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14:45extension and I wanted to inject it into
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14:48a point that I think is probably one of
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14:49the worst behaviors that I have on a web
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14:52browser which is opening up new tabs I
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14:54had I just like will open up a ton of
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14:56them and I feel like it's just such a
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14:58bad behavior that I have so I wanted to
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15:01inject it into a new tab page and you
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15:05know being from coming from a meditation
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15:07company I was like oh I should use
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15:09meditation and I was like but you know
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15:10what meditation actually is a pretty
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15:12heavy thing to do even if it is like two
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15:14to three minute sessions doing it you
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15:17know every hour and a half
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15:18every three hours that can be a little
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15:20bit heavy of a practice I mean just
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15:23getting myself to do five minutes a day
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15:24is sometimes difficult doing it multiple
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15:26times a day would be very very difficult
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15:28so I actually looked to my meditations
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15:31little brother mindfulness and just kind
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15:34of decided to do a breathing exercise
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15:37because breathing exercise is a very
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15:38light touch and I actually didn't want
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15:41to make it a game but it ended up
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15:43becoming sort of like a game because the
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15:45more you actually start to interact the
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15:48application interacts with you know the
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15:50activity that a user is doing the more
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15:53it starts to become more game-like
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15:54like if you're able to do something to
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15:57reset all your activity or if you know
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15:59that your activity now starts to build
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16:01up and and and creates this kind of like
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16:03you know this application like it starts
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16:06to behave more like a game and it was
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16:11very interesting and how does everybody
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16:13feel right now do you guys need to take
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16:15a break I mean I'm kind of going through
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16:19a cycle right now so so this is going to
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16:21be a breathing exercise it's pranayama
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16:23breathing it so it just slows down a
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16:25little bit and so I'm gonna be five
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16:27breaths so bear with me
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17:10so it's simple very small very small and
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17:17something like that
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17:19you know gives you time to reflect you
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17:21might be thinking what the hell am i
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17:22doing listening this talk right now
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17:24but it's also you know a great way to
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17:28kind of just like pull yourself out of
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17:30the flow and just like think about it
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17:31and and with something that lightweight
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17:33like it's you're not taking a break
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17:36really but you're also pulling yourself
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17:38out of a flow that you're able to think
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17:40about you know what you're doing so if
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17:43you're you know you're like oh well I
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17:45was really getting this stuff done I
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17:47want to continue doing it go for it
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17:49that was like what five seconds now it's
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17:51a little bit longer than that but
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17:53essentially if you're in a bad flow or
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17:56you're like angry at something maybe
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17:58this is the you know just give me that a
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18:00little bit of time will give you the
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18:01ability to like think about and be like
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18:02oh maybe I should go walk around the
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18:04block or maybe I should go go and talk
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18:06to you know one of my co-workers or
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18:08something like that take an extended
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18:09break so you could try this out get
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18:14mucho calm is where you can find the
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18:17link to download it and actually if
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18:19you're interested to see my slides or I
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18:21actually did write a blog post about why
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18:23I built get mucho it actually goes
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18:25through a little bit more of my story
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18:27you can all find find all those links
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18:29there but really I want to encourage you
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18:32like find what works for you fine you
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18:35know the injection point the lengths of
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18:38the brakes you know the type of bricks
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18:40that that work for you because maybe it
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18:42works for me doesn't work for you but I
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18:44think your mental health is the
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18:45important thing and finding what works
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18:47for you is great and but most
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18:49importantly just don't get burned out
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18:51thanks
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18:59you
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18:59[Applause]
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19:11you